Delphi 2007 for Win32 — We listened
Well, things have hit the fan — finally!
I’ve been waiting a long time to be able to talk a bit more about what we’ve been up to.
Basically what we’ve been up to has been taking customer input, listening to survey results, and producing products that folks have been asking us for. And one thing that it was clear that many, many of you were asking for was a version of Delphi that build Win32 applications. Well, we have that for you — Delphi 2007 for Win32. This release is designed specifically for you Win32 folks — you spoke and we listened.
A lot of your questions can be answered with the FAQ.
I bet folks will want to know about this: Delphi 2007 for Win32 is part of the "Studio Family". That means that if you are buy Software Assurance with Delphi 2007 for Win32, you will be getting Studio SA — that is, Software Assurance at the Studio level.
Another big thing for us this time around is that we are shipping all four languages — English, German, Japanese, and French — all at the same time. So, if you are an international customer that uses one of those languages, then you’ll be able to get your copy right away, instead of having to wait. This is good for everyone all around.
One thing you’ll notice is that we’ve made a small change to the license. We now allow you to deploy the Command Line Compiler to a build machine for the purpose of doing automated and unattended builds. This was a nice little addition, I think.
Help me understand how this related to the overall suite that you shipped in 2006 ?
Should I upgrade now or wait for a suite shipment ?
Can his be bought now ?
February 20th, 2007 at 5:42 pmGreat!Hope you will allow web downloads for people on SA so that we are not affected by the inevitable delivery delays
February 20th, 2007 at 5:47 pmBen –
Delphi 2007 is a product in the "Studio" family of products. That means that it is part an parcel of our Studio products going forward.
If I were you, I’d buy now and get Software Assurance, and you’ll receive everything we ship in the Studio family of products during your Software Assurance term.
And yes, you can buy it now:
http://tinyurl.com/jadc5
Nick
February 20th, 2007 at 5:55 pmFirst, this is awesome news! Keep up the great work.
Second…
February 20th, 2007 at 6:07 pmAppologies if this is the wrong place to ask and if it has been answered already, but are Turbo Professional owners eligible for the upgrade rates to this delphi ‘07? Also, would an owner of an Architect edition of BDS be eligible for for upgrade rates to a Professional version of ‘07?
James –
Turbo owners are not eligible for an upgrade, no, but you are if you own any other version of Delphi, C++Builder, or BDS.
Nick
February 20th, 2007 at 6:21 pm"Delphi 2007 for Win32 — We listened"
Are you sure you listened? From all your news (read "marketing hype") it looks like this 2007 is something completely new? Is it? You are, again, just talking. We still need all these numerous .NET and other runtimes installed to run 2007 IDE. Damn, I think I’m not wrong if I guess this thing is basically the same as 2006 or Turbo Pro with some bug fixes and Vista compatibility. What else can we hope to be made in 6 months? Anyway, I think CodeGear should tune more to honesty and leave this marketing BS, otherwise you’ll lose your last customers…
P.S. From these papers one gets impression that deploying on Windows 95/98 is not supported any more. If it is, then it is better to mention it.
February 20th, 2007 at 6:52 pmAnd a few words about Turbo Professional for Win32. This product is very confusing, especially now when 2007 for Win32 will be released. Turbo Pro was released only 5 months ago and basically 2007 makes it obsolete, and there is no upgrade path. A bit unfriendly, eh? Don’t say that Turbo Pro was meant as unprofessional product, as it is basically the same as Win32 in BDS 2006. I bought it over Studio because I only need Win32 development, but actually it is still unused as my Delphi 7 works better. How, you want money, again.
February 20th, 2007 at 7:06 pm"Turbo owners are not eligible for an upgrade, no, but you are if you own any other version of Delphi, C++Builder, or BDS." NH.
Michael from CodeGear said something exactly oposite 2 days ago.
February 20th, 2007 at 7:17 pmNH: "Turbo owners are not eligible for an upgrade, no, but you are if you own any other version of Delphi, C++Builder, or BDS."
Does it mean I can upgrade from my C++Builder 3 Prof. to Delphi 2007 and eventually to the studio SKU 2007? Thanks.
February 20th, 2007 at 7:20 pmIs there at least going to be a turbo 2007 version coming out pretty quick? Studio is more than I want or require. I don’t need or want .net, C# or C++.
February 20th, 2007 at 7:22 pmAhto –
You can upgrade to Delphi 2007 from your Delphi 7. And the decision to upgrade is entirely yours.
Peter –
Yes, you can upgrade your C++Builder 3 to Delphi 2007.
C Johnson –
We plan on upgrading the Turbos at some time in the future, yes.
Nick
February 20th, 2007 at 7:25 pmNo mention of Unicode in the FAQ. Does D2K7 support Unicode?
February 20th, 2007 at 9:39 pmThis is confusing: it is not clear that D2007 Pro is a different product to the Turbo. Perhaps Turbo owners should be told when they will get an upgrade product and whether it will have less functionality than D2007.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:56 pm> For all these reasons, yesterday my company decided to freeze all Delphi applications development and put them in maintenance mode only.
Kent, I have to say: I’m not sure if that decision was a knee jerk or classic "headless chicken syndrome" - could be both. If your company *did* decide to shelve years of work because they don’t like the new version that they don’t need to buy, they either don’t have large applications, or paying clients, or any clue. I’d probably start sending out my resume if I were you. Good luck with that
February 21st, 2007 at 1:24 amWhile I can see both Kent’s point and Steve’s point… In my opinion it’s hard to judge the impact of this release without knowing the big picture (aka roadmap) of all your products.
With the limited info you have provided here (re big picture) it leaves many unsure of if they should upgrade now. The whole issue of BDS 2006 vs D2007 for win32 vs turbo is very confusing. It appears to be a cash grab under the guise of giving us what we want.
I purchased D2005 (big bucks) and like a good customer I later purchased the completed D2005 (aka D2006). Now you want me to pay $$$ for an upgrade to Delphi for Win32 only??? What happens when Delphi for .Net comes out are you wanting another $$$ for it too.
You guys have to decide is it a studio or not? In my opinion the whole Turbo thing (a premature decision) really messed things up. There should be a studio (that includes all platforms for those who need/want and willing to pay the big bucks and there should be turbos (one for each platform) for those who a single platform.
Furthermore, requiring the enterprise version to get vcl for web application mode is foul for those of us who want nothing else that enterprise has to offer beyond pro. This was similar for BDS2005 and BDS2006 with Intraweb; however, at least the Intraweb product could be purchased on it’s own.
I answered your survey and I don’t recall responding to any questions about wanting you to further confuse us with newly created (hi cost) releases.
I’m a dedicated Delphi user for nearly 10 years; however, I am becoming increasingly concerned the furture of your once stable developer products for professionals.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:01 amI agree to Rick’s comment: A new version of the IDE every year is way too fast and it’s a
February 21st, 2007 at 2:18 amshame to force users to buy an upgrade instead
of providing serious bug fixes for free.
You listened? With what?
I bought Delphi 2005 - that was a disaster. I bought Delphi 2006 - only marginally better. Both had broken help.
Now we have Delphi for Win32 with support for Vista. Who did you listen to? Microsoft?
Delphi is stagnating and going nowhere fast.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:23 amSorry but Delphi 2007 seems like the most insignificant new Delphi release ever.
The list of "new" features is enough to laugh at.
It’s seems like basically a bug patched Delphi 2006 with a few extra components (that most people might not even use because they using other components) & updated third party libraries. It’s the first time ever that it seems that NO compiler enhancements were made at all it seems???
(but only cos the compiler is almost/exactly? the same)
It looks more like it should be called Delphi 2006.1 (or Delphi 10.1). Hey at least finally we have .BPL compatibility between releases
(The "non-breaking release" speak for the compiler is probably just CodeGear’s nice way of saying ‘we really didn’t add anything new here’!)
As for the "new" features…
The only significant new code seems to be DBExpress4 (and since I don’t use DBExpress anyway - I use ADO and IBX, and actually still use BDE in some older applications), and don’t need AJAX web development (is this part of Intraweb or actually something really new to Delphi?), and don’t have Vista (and there’s publicly available howto’s of how to update one’s app to fully take advantage of Vista’s features, but even then most Delphi 2006 and below apps run’s mostly fine on Vista minus a few minor issues maybe).
I mean when Turbo Pascal 5 added OOP (which was I think a significant update to the language/compiler) they called it Turbo Pascal 5.5 (not 6) and Turbo Pascal 6 was significantly different than 5/5.5 for example. So why add so little to Delphi and have the nerve to call it a new version… is that all "new" features we got in more than a year since Delphi 2006… very sad.
As far as I know, this is the smallest new feature set/enhancements for any release.
I’m a fan of Delphi, but really Delphi 2007 is a release that should’ve been at most a feature upgrade to Delphi 2006 that those users could maybe buy for $50 or so… at most! (to some it adds even less than $50 worth!)
Sorry but I’m not impressed!
February 21st, 2007 at 3:57 amUnfortunately I have to agree with many people here. Delphi 2007 "new features" list is too small compared to its price (most of them are cosmetic changes). The lack of upgrade option from Turbo is also a shame.
I would be really happy to see something really new in Delphi. In the past, Delphi innovated the way to program for Windows. From many years, the new releases lacks real new (and good) improvements, even in the Delphi Language (that I still prefers to call Object Pascal).
CG listened to the surveys where developers made it clear that they needed Win32 Delphi (I was one of them), but releasing a DWin32 like this for sure will not make anyone happy. I see no reason to spend such amount of money in a product that will not give me any real improvement. I don’t use dbExpress and none of my customers are using Vista. Even if so, my Turbo Delphi applications would run fine on it, sure, without themes or aero, but who need that?
A yearly release cicle is also too fast for most of the people. Usually, buying new Delphi means upgrading (aka. buying) many third part components. Sum everything and you will find that it is almost impossible to small developers to pay the price of an upgrade.
I like the enthusiasm and to see that Delphi is getting focus again in CG, but it seems that CG still have many things to learn, to make Delphi developers happy.
February 21st, 2007 at 4:38 amI would like someone from CG to point out what are differences between Turbo Pro for Win32 and new Delphi 2007 for Win32? As I understand, both of these are basically Delphi cut out of Studio bundle (one from 2006 and another from 2007). So, why this Delphi 2007 is different - new - product and not called Turbo Professional 2007? Both products are marketed the same way, to people who need only Win32 development.
February 21st, 2007 at 5:33 amThanks Nick, then please update the FAQ which mentions Delphi only (no upgrade from C++Builder mentioned).
"Yes, you can upgrade to Delphi 2007 for Win32 from Delphi 1 through Delphi 8, BDS 2005, and BDS 2006."
February 21st, 2007 at 6:01 amWell if its correct that there is No Upgrade from Turbo Delphi Pro 2006 to Delphi 2007 Win32 it NOT a good start for a company whose motto is ‘Where Developers Matter’. Especially as the Turbo Delphi 2006 Pro has only been available since September 2006.
To add insult to injury over in Europe is the outrageous mark up in price. Since when in an age where £1 = $1.90+ is $249 = £175 WITHOUT VAT added which pushes it to over £200.
Just had an email from QBS Software here trumpting 2007 Win32. This time $899 = £525 EXCLUDING vat. At least its only about 20% overpriced now not 33% like Turbo Delphi.
Needless to say after having my Turbo Delphi Pro obsoleted to all intents and purposes after 6 Weeks I wont be forking out arround £616 including VAT for a full copy of 2007 Win32 if this is an example of how CG is going to operate.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:09 amRandom thoughts:
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I think you should clarify the supposed upgrade path from D2007 ASAP! The prices for D2007 currently correspond to a full studio release, not to the single personality release that it is. Does that mean the upgrade to the next studio (which I understand will also be released this year) will be by that amount cheaper than a full studio upgrade? Or will the next studio release be by [number of personalities-1] more expensive?!
And don’t always assume everyone will buy SA! While I do feel positive about CG in general you still have to actually prove to us that you can now really deliver two usable releases in succession (and I personally do count D2006 as one of these). Without that confidence fully restored I definitely will not pay for SA and rather stick with the current practice of only upgrading whenever things have sufficiently stabilized - which, ever since D4 hit the fan, has in practice been roughly equivalent to "every 2.5th release or so"…
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You really really really want us to buy SA, don’t you? Unless I misunderstood the whole plan I cannot imagine why anyone sane should shell out money for this upgrade unless they also bought SA… I mean, as I understand it, if I bought this D2007 upgrade without SA (1299$) I would have to pay yet another 1299 bucks in three or four months (or whenever the next studio release is supposed to be out), is that right?
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From what I have read so far, I must say that the new feature list is a really great read and I can’t wait to have this on my box but that same list is also *very* small, especially considering that the price is that of a major studio upgrade! All things considered, without wanting to diminish the value of these in the least, the "only" new features genuinely produced by CodeGear staff are:
- performance/quality improvements
- a GUI for MSBuild
- DBX4
- Vista enhancements in the VCL
(of which I myself only really have a use for the first two)
IMHO that list does not justify paying the full upgrade price (and especially not at the studio level). Maybe the price should better reflect the VER185 define and be cut to half its current price - at least for users of D2005/2006.
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I read somewhere else that it has been confirmed that "VCL for Web" = IntraWeb. Is that true? If so, why not say so? Did CodeGear buy IntraWeb?
The same goes for qstudio which was, as I understood it, not really produced by CodeGear either (which is a good in thing in that producing it didn’t distract the Delphi team). No mention of qadram anywhere in the press releases. Sounds like a shoddy way to treat your partners when seen from that angle.
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Furthermore, qstudio was supposed to be free… D4PHP obviously isn’t. Will there be a Turbo PHP? Turbo PHP Explorer even?
And no, I don’t like the "Delphi for PHP" name - not unless Delphi the language gets renamed back to ObjectPascal or something similar in any case!
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This post came out far more negative than I intended. I’m sure there’s tons of good stuff in these two products but somehow the announced pricing scheme and the tone of the press releases keeps me from fully appreciating it. Still feels too much like "spin". The least you should do is put the names IntraWeb and qadram back in there.
That’s all for now. Sorry for bitching so much. I’m sure you all mean well. But please give those marketing/pricing guys another slap around the head from me.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:12 amWell, Delphi2007ForWin32 reminds me of a quote from my old friend G.K. Chesterton, who said of his pal George Bernard Shaw, "He is like the Venus De Milo, all there _is_ of him is admirable".
I do think that this is one of the smallest incremental feature improvements in any version of Delphi (although the 2005 to 2006 was primarily a matter of quality, over features). But then, to be fair, I think the reasoning for releasing NOW is solid, and I think those who whinge about the smallish set of features should think about where Delphi sits if it doesn’t support Vista NOW. It’s in trouble. If it does support Vista, all is well again.
All of you who are whining about Delphi’s inability to handle native 64 bit compilation yet, or the lack of a Unicode VCL, stay calm. I am sure that the smart people at CodeGear are aware of your concerns.
Features do not always equal a successful product. Those of you who mostly like feature creep should have been very happy with Delphi 2005. It marked the biggest pile of feature creep in Delphi history. Unfortunately, the instability (due to the massive influx of partially tested code) meant that a lot of people (myself included) stayed on Delphi 7, until Delphi 2006 came out. Delphi 2006 has been hands down the best version of Delphi ever. Once you adapt to the docking IDE style, and the new component pallette you find lots of stuff you would miss, if you go back.
I don’t do DotNet, on principle, and based on technical factors that make DotNet useless to me; for the markets I write applications for, DotNet is an albatross around your neck. I’m glad Delphi has a Delphi.net personality, because it checks off a bullet that a lot of corporate CRUD-screen developers want checked off, or they wouldn’t buy Delphi. But it’s one of those things that just makes me mad every time I think about it. Microsoft hijacks their own APIs every two years, renames and redesigns their best practices for third-party developers, and calls their newest batch of "Stone Soup" the Greatest Thing since Sliced Bread. DotNet 3.0 will get replaced and renamed again and again, and every time everything will break, and people will rewrite everything, because Microsoft likes to keep everybody hopping, so they won’t come to any "sad realizations".
So what’s in Delphi’s future? I think it’s very bright. Present whinging excepted.
I think that those who say that the price is too high given how little is offered have a point, and so CodeGear may find that sales for this release are rather soft.
Personally I would have liked to see the upgrade path extended to Turbo Delphi 2007 Professional, since it’s essentially the same product and was only released a few months ago. I didn’t buy TD2007Pro myself, so this is more a point of fairness. Previously stated Borland intentions aside, it’s a new day, and Code Gear is a new company, and they should be magnanimous on this matter.
Frankly, I don’t use C++Builder, and I don’t use DotNet, so the new 2007 product does everything I want, and has nothing I don’t want. I think that 99% of the people who buy this product, myself among them, are sure to buy software-assurance, because for the price you are going to get quite a lot, as long as CodeGear actually does get the rest of the personalities this year, as "Code Gear Everything-in-a-Box-2007", whatever it is finally called. (If you use my name, you don’t have to pay me anything, okay?)
Me, I don’t even want the other personalities, but I want the new Delphi Win32 compiler upgrade with generics.
Also, may I second the sentiments of the person who said that "Delphi for PHP" is a dumb product name. Delphi is a personality in the former "Borland Developer Studio", with a long history as an independant product before that, and it technically refers to a variant of the ObjectPascal language plus the VCL, not to the PHP syntax. Yes D4PHP it has Delphi flavoured components (VCL for PHP), but it’s 50% WRONG to call that "Delphi for PHP". "CodeGear PHP" would have been enough, I think. Hopefully it will be subtly renamed in a future iteration, when VCL for PHP becomes a personality in the new "Everything-in-a-box-2008" which is yet to be announced.
All in all, I’m very excited, and those who are whinging should be happy that what they have now is good enough for them, and for those of us who have to ship apps that run on Vista, CodeGear shipping a product NOW that solves that problem is a huge point in their favour. They are doing the right thing by releasing an incremental release, rather than by building up a huge batch of features, delaying the release.
If you don’t need the features, don’t buy it. Good. But lots of people do. I intend to run 100% in Vista for all my software development, just to learn the quirks of the darn thing, and get my VIsta skills up to speed. Those of you who haven’t switched to the Mac yet, might want to consider that the future is not up to you, it’s up to the BorgCube in Redmond.
Warren
February 21st, 2007 at 7:03 amHi Everybody,
Why don’t you want to give a chance to CodeGear? I think they will make more good products what we want from Borland.
Too many people spend their time to learn and fight with bugs in the Microsoft site (in the VB, M$-SQL Server, .Net Framework (DamnNet) and C#) But no M$ users say bad things to M$.
I think (Borland Users) we must support them.
It is my opinion and I will keep on my support to CodeGear.
Many thanks.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:08 amAdnan ONCEVARLIK
Well locking out Turbo Delphi 2006 Pro customers of an upgrade path ( only a few months after purchasing ) to the 2007 ’studio’ isnt exactly going to engender any new support of CG is it ?
February 21st, 2007 at 8:17 amI’m looking forward to getting the Delphi 2007 as part of my SA. I want it just for the faster IDE, but the other stuff looks good.
The free deployment of the command line compiler is a very nice touch. I do all of my production builds from a dedicated box running FinalBuilder.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:55 amWell Keeping Delphi Advancing would surely include getting new users on board such as myself. The way this seems to be padding out is the opposite.
Rileing New Turbo Delphi 2006 owners by giving them no upgrade path to the Delphi 2007 Win32 product which had I had any Idea was going to happen I would have waited and got insted. Sure arent forking out twice within the space of few months which would work out at a total of £816 including VAT here in UK ( Usual UK Software overpricing )
due to no upgrade pricing.
Oh well looks like I might as well write off the £200 I spent and go back to Visual Studio 2005 and C++ for Native development.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:10 amDerek –
What Borland/CodeGear products do you own? Is Turbo Delphi the only one you’ve ever bought?
Nick
February 21st, 2007 at 11:17 amHi Nick,
Yes Totally new User. Couldnt justify cost of the full BDS2006 Pro suite when I have Visual Studio 2005 Team Edition for software developers for C#,VB.net & ASP.Net etc. Im a lone guy here and I do the purchasing.
Was fed up wading through Win32/MFC with C++ for Native development . Wanted a supported (As opposed to VB6) RAD environment that generated fast and tight code for Win32 Native Applications.
At the time only edition that fitted the bill was Turbo Delphi 2006.
Had I had any inkling that a 2007 Win32 specific product might occur in H1 2007 I would have held fire and saved up for it.
I would not for a moment expect a low cost upgrade or even the same price as an upgrade from BDS Pro 2006 to 2007 Win32.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:56 amAn upgrade where the fee is the difference in price between Turbo Delphi 2006 & Win 2007 Win32 would be more realistic.
VCL for the Web only in Enterprise??
- does MS customers need enterprise for ASP.NET?
Is the help fixed in this version and as good as the D7 help content?
As others said this seems like a 10.5 release rather than a full release, which is fine, but don’t price it like a full release. Yes, there is the SA, but what about some of us who are only interested in Pro versions?
I do not need Vista support or DB4, so for me its going to be wait for the next release which is hopefully soon.
I am needing Win32 things like Unicode, Generics and better collections framework, RTTI expanded to complete reflection like, IDE subversion support, more Fastcode RTL functions, fixed help system and content, more openTools API features and help, ECO for Win32, easy way/tools for .NET interop (i.e. Hydra), multi-processor development features, native super fast XML API that is syntactically compatible with .NET XML API (get off the MSXML dependency) maybe look at lib2xml project and incorporate into VCL, and get rid of circular references issue.
Now that would be a release well worth paying for.
I do like the fact that a goal of D2007 Win32 was to get the IDE working as fast as D7. And I think quality above features is more inportant. A solid working IDE without any memory leaks, crashes, or slow downs is first and foremost. But to base a full release of just this and some Vista support and new DB features just does not make sense. Then again, maybe it does make sense for those of you who want a stable quality IDE and do not want to have to wait another 4-6 months for the features I mentioned above.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:10 pm"…if you are buy Software Assurance with Delphi 2007 for Win32, you will be getting Studio SA — that is, Software Assurance at the Studio level"
What is the price of Software Assurance and is this available for both upgrade and new users?
Does this mean if I buy Software Assurance, that when BDS 2007 is release, I get it for free?
February 21st, 2007 at 12:33 pmI second Derek’s opinion.
How I see from my perspective:
first, offer an entincing update from Turbo Explorer to Turbo Pro. Many new users like me (always used delphi as employee, now fresh self-employed) saw this like a good chance to buy at a reasonable price exactly what we need (professional version of a single BDS personality, no need for others) and then enter in an updgrade loop of this very specific product line.
second, after a very few week, release a new product, that from my perspective is *exactly* an upgrade (and a very poor one, IMHO) of Turbo Delphi Pro for win32.
third, tell us that… well.. Turbo Pro will be a turbo pro– and don’t give any upgrade path from turbo 2006 to pro 2007, hoping to force us anyway due to Vista compliance needs.
My conclusion: that all this was already decided, but deliberately not told to collect some easy money from this turbo pro cheap upgrade move. May be formally correct (product is yours, you can decide what you want), but, well, IMHO unhetical. It would be ethical only if customers were informed BEFORE about this upgrade limitation.
From my part, I preferer to throw away all my delphi code and go to visual studio than buy that I feel as as unhetical move against codegear customers.
February 21st, 2007 at 1:09 pmOK now its very clearly been stated there is no upgrade path for Turbo 2006 to 2007 Win32 any Idea of when the Updated Turbo Pro is likely to appear ? Any Idea of upgrade pricing as say a % of 2006 pricing ? Also impression Im getting now is of a drastically stripped out version when Turbo Delphi 2007 appears ?
February 21st, 2007 at 1:14 pmDerek –
Send me an email at nick.hodges@codegear.com
Nick
February 21st, 2007 at 1:18 pmNew Angry User — (you didn’t leave an email, so I can’t contact you directly..)
Send me an email at nick.hodges@codegear.com
We’ll work something out.
Nick
February 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pmNick…
I sincerely thank you for your offer and your interest in my situation, but honestly obtain something *personally* only because I bark loud here seems not very correct. I’d prefer a more general answer for all customers in my same situation, just to see a more general trend in Codegear way to relate with its customers. Something more comforting for future relationship.
February 21st, 2007 at 1:46 pmWe are revisting the "upgrade from Turbos" issue.
I’ll let you know soon.
Nick
February 21st, 2007 at 1:48 pmGood move. Make a "mistake" and correct it rapidly is IMHO even better than not making mistakes
February 21st, 2007 at 1:57 pmGreat Move Nick whatever the final outcome !
February 21st, 2007 at 2:30 pmExcellent News this has been resolved Nick ! Hats of to CG for the prompt response . Sure is a big contrast to a certain Corp I could mention
February 21st, 2007 at 6:10 pmHi again,
I want to say only one thing, "we want Delphi in LINUX, not Kylix CrossPlatform)"
I want to Use Delphi Like FreePascal - Lazarus. Write once Compile everywhere
Please listen to us again
Regards,
February 21st, 2007 at 10:38 pmAdnan ONCEVARLIK
Hi again,
I want to say only one thing, "we want Delphi in LINUX, not Kylix CrossPlatform)"
I want to Use Delphi Like FreePascal - Lazarus. Write once Compile everywhere
Please listen to us again
Regards,
February 21st, 2007 at 10:38 pmAdnan ONCEVARLIK
We also want Delphi on LINUX, not CrossPlatform!
February 21st, 2007 at 11:14 pmGlad to see Nick’s comment "We are revisting the "upgrade from Turbos" issue.". Although the whole turbo upgrade path doesn’t even affect me… it gives me hope that CG is actually listening.
However, after reading the many posts here I beleive there are two other common threads that also need revisting:
1. The absurd cost of D2007 compared to it’s insignificant list of "features".
2. Requirement to purchase D2007 enterprise to get application mode of vcl for web… ouch!
Two other questions that require a formal answer:
1. Is vcl for web actually IntraWeb? If so what version (i.e 8 or 9)?
2. Where’s the roadmap?
Developers have very complex situations that require full disclosure so we can deliver on our promises, current and future. You can’t be holding these things back from us! For example I am currently quoting on a medium project that I intend to use my curent Intraweb 8 for… I haven’t included in my budget an enterprise version of BDS… I was going to upgrade to IW 9 when it was released; however, I’m not certain now if that will be an option if CG has gobbled up IW (there web-site is getting pretty stale).
My last comments:
1. If you think sales were slow… I can’t see how this D2007 will help… actually think it will stale sales further for both d2007 and turbo.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:02 amI am working with C/C++, pascal on Linux platform. Therefore, I would like to have a library independent IDE.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:21 amfor example: I want to use C++ Builder and Delphi IDE on Linux. I am requesting of combining these two IDEs(C++ Builder and Delphi) into one solid IDE on Linux, just like in this IDE BDS2006.
I have a suggestion that IMHO would be in the best interest of CG and users:
CG should offer, for a limited time, the ability for any user of any product to purchase Software Assurance at the currently published SA prices. Effectively an upgrade to current version (from any previous version) and SA in one attractive price.
This would address the following biggest concerns:
a. D2007 cost is too high, on it’s own.
b. CG deservses compensation for the new features (after all - we collectively asked for these - now).
c. Most improtant - get the masses to begin using D2007!!!
If I understand correctly, to get SA I have to buy/upgrade to the latest version and then additionally buy SA. Make SA more like an upgrade… after all it would appear that CG would like us all to have SA… so promote it.
This would result in a more reasonable price to attain D2007 especialy because it will include anything else you decide to pump out in the next year. I for one would be less concerned about what you’re plans are for the next year (aka roadmap), from a budgeting point of view. In fact, I would likely re-subsribe to SA indefeintaly… (providing you don’t drastically alter the current proce point) since this allows both sides to budget.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:26 amPlease you listened me, i say for future Because Windows have very problem and haven’t future!!!!
February 22nd, 2007 at 4:09 amWe also want delphi on LINUX, not crossplatform!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please you listened me, i say for future Because Windows have very problem and haven’t future!!!!
February 22nd, 2007 at 4:10 amWe also want delphi on LINUX, not crossplatform!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a few months ago, Turbo Delphi was released, and Borland/CodeGear was having a heck of a time explaining what the difference was between Turbo and BDS.
Now we know: BDS has upgrades, Turbo does not. WOW, what a BRILLIANT way to earn developer contempt!
Oh, that ISN’T what you intended?
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:28 amI upgraded from Delphi 7 to Turbo Delphi 2006. Here is a list of the features of the new version that I discovered that I can put to immediate use:
1) TeeChart now has an "outline"
property that can be used to
denote selection
Yup, that’s it. Several releases and a few hundred dollars later, that’s all I see that I can use.
How can that be?
Because the new release is crammed with widgets that are WORTHLESS without proper DOCUMENTATION and a functioning HELP system! What IS all this stuff? CodeGear isn’t telling!
Meanwhile, how is Borland/CodeGear doing on filling the Swiss-cheese-like holes in the IDE and VCL? They seem to have lost interest in practical, common solutions to everyday problems, and glaring gaps in VCL functionality remain.
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:42 amthank you CodeGear for Delphi2007 and delphi for php.
i want delphi for linux, more support open source.
want , firebird, dunit etc.
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:11 amKevin –
No, sorry, you got that wrong — Turbos do have upgrades.
Nick
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 amHi,
Unlike many here (and probably most delphi users) I use D2006 for writing dotnet applications in C#. I really need to know when you have plans to upgrade the .net environment. You are so far behind Visual Studio now that I’m only days away of giving up hope and turn to the dark side…
We have a lot of old delphi applications (most developed in delphi 7) so I’d like to stick with borlands products but it seems less and less like an option.
Please respond!
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:44 pmHi,
i think, delphi for linux will be very good. Not cross platform, pure linux.
Best regards.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:48 pmHi,
I think you must support .net also. .net framework 3.0 released but, we’re using 1.1 still.
Of course, Delphi for Linux’s good idea.
February 23rd, 2007 at 3:59 am"Off Track" –
We are going to be updating our Studio, which includes our .Net offerings, mid-year.
Nick
February 23rd, 2007 at 8:46 amI wouldnt worry too much about .Net 3.0 Fatih. You reaction is just what MS Marketing are hoping will happen.
Calling it 3.0 is really pretty naughty its really more like .Net 2.5 at most. Its Just 2.0 with some extra assemblies to provide WPF,WCF and Workflow functionalty.
WPF is nice technology but overall nothing something like XUL isnt capable of also doing (And has been arround for quite a while).
February 23rd, 2007 at 11:34 amAlso in its current 1.0 version the performance is lacking. It reportedly doesnt use much hardware acceleration if atall. Using it on a Single Core none HT processor shows it using alot of CPU time for even a relatively simple UI. I have found just that here when I evaulated it.
for asp.net more supports
February 23rd, 2007 at 5:26 pmfor Aspect-Oriented Software Development more supports
for enterprise applications more supports
for other platforms (linux etc) more supports
I don’t compare .NET 2.0 with 3.0 or other version of .net Derek Hadlington.
February 24th, 2007 at 12:54 amI mean CodeGear must support it more at least other language
We also want Delphi on LINUX, not CrossPlatform!
February 24th, 2007 at 12:18 pmHi Nick,
Delphi on Linux is not right subject in this topic but why don’t you listen us?
I think, you are an employee of the CodeGear, don’t you? Why don’t you say something about Delphi on Linux?
We are waiting your opinion.
Thanks
February 26th, 2007 at 11:15 pmAdnan ONCEVARLIK
Glad to hear 2007 is out. But I’ll also wait for the full studio in a
February 27th, 2007 at 9:50 amcouple of months. Thanks for the roadmap
Yes,
Delphi for linux please.
Good user interface on linux is a still a dream.
So why dont you be the first ?
also enhance your dbgrid to something like infopower of even devexpress ?
that will change the world!!!
July 10th, 2007 at 1:35 pmI have many problem to use Ajax in del2007
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:54 pmI put a iwedit and One Iwdbgrid with adodataset to connect a DB, on a form and in then iwedit.onAsyncKeyPress event wrote
ADODataSet1.RecNo:=15;
IWDBGrid1.RowCurrentColor:=clWebYELLOW;
Meanwhile I set scrolltocurrentrow property equall True. But It dont work properly. why?
And Is there any reference about using ajax in delphi in detail.
Was the Turbo Delphi Pro product discontinuation announced? Any projected date when the new Turbo Delphi products will be out?(as referenced in the blog). Like a dummy, I missed the boat on the Turbo Delphi Pro by my own hesitant procrastination.
May 25th, 2008 at 8:47 pm